Discussion in 'Tilers' Talk' started by Flash_uk, Jun 11, 2012. They are actually quite cheap now, probably the best place to get them no sis the website below. I should have levelled the floor joists when I had the opportunity. Durable, high-density moisture-resistant P5 grade chipboard flooring. yep the old ways have nearly gone. Look out for intricate, decorative brackets for domestic projects, or more heavy duty versions for use in warehouses, factories or workshops. The floor manufacturer says the floor can be floated providing the. There are tile adhesives that state they are suitable for chipboard, most likely prime the chipboard with tile primer or SBR first, or just overboard it with a decent 9mm plywood then prime and tile over with a 'regular' adhesive. The choice is up to you wether you fix 100mm or 300mm but i know which id do. structural 18 mm ply is fine ,you may have to add some timber noggins to offer further support at edges where butting up to chipboard on. Thousands of products available. bobthebuilder944, Feb 26, 2006. Size Description. Not sure whether to just use normal pva wood glue or D4 (seen this is for chipboard), Or is there something else people recommend? 3. Jason jasonb, Aug 29,. Supplied in a handy tub. Centring Tip Reduces Slip & Wandering. The floor is limited head height, so overboarding isn't a preferred option. 99 Inc Vat. Just use a circular saw, set the depth to 20mm and cut a small section out between the joists. £10. 1. Hello folks, I’m just about to tile the floor to pretty much the entire ground floor of my house, about 47 square metres. All of our chipboard is P5 grade, which means it has been treated with a moisture-resistant coating and is load-bearing - perfect for cost-effective chipboard floorboards. This would have to be removed as well as the t&g chipboard. Currently in Stock. Plane down the tongues by about half and remove the sharp corners and then on the two removable boards, plane a small chamfer on the underside corner of the tongue side. Goldscrew PZ Double-Countersunk Self-Tapping Multipurpose Screws 3. Hello wood men, just popped over from the plumbers bit to ask you advice, I have got to help a buddie out this week lay a. #13. There is a wide range of sizes of chipboard screws; the smaller screws are mainly used for fastening hinges on cabinets and other types of furniture, while larger screws are used to join bigger pieces of wood on. Remove all the chipboard floor, basically. £29. #11. Hi guys, hope everyone is staying safe. Home Forums > Screwfix Community Forum > Carpenters' Talk > Chipboard ! Discussion in 'Carpenters' Talk' started by Vic_39, Apr 20, 2022. #4. So this time I intend to prime the floor first but do not know what to use or where to get such a primer. Devil's Advocate Guest. 5mm x 30mm 200 Pack (16775) (3518) compare. (68 products) Door bolts are used to keep an opening secure, used regularly on gates and external entrances but suitable for internal use also. Optimised Thread to Reduce Torque & Prevent Jacking of Timber. Backer boards will add some strength, but whatever you do, the slight movement in a wooden floor will lead to the grout cracking. . Seals porous surfaces with excellent enamel holdout,. 20 mm. I think my 2 current options are: a) Paint the chipboard with black bitumen paint (blackjack) so it doesn't absorb any moisture from the mortar mix (absorbing water could mean the mortar sets weaker / cause chipboard to swell) and then press on with putting down the. 2. If you're up in Scotland they call them dwangs. The floorboards aren't too bad, and I figure hammering them down should keep and un-evenness/movement to an absolute minimum. I have contacted a few fitters two of which have got back to me. Get great value and great versatility with our range of chipboard and oriented strand board (OSB). Buy Flooring at Screwfix. 2m² (894VK) compare. The squeak can be caused by the boards rubbing against each other or rubbing against the joists, glue on the joists is sometimesd used at installation this helps as does replacing nails with screws [even ringshank nails cannot cope with the poor density of chipboard]. Measure the length of the room to determine how many rows there will be. Glue joists and the tongues, and use three screws per joist, chipboard full threaded screws. Concrete kitchen floor might only need SLC over the concrete. As well screwing the boards to the joists and gluing the tongues with PVA I ve heard an idea, as an extra measure, of running a. 2. Screw down at the recommended spacings. com. Electric underfloor heating is an energy efficient way to heat any space. Look for ones with a valve for easier breathing. - 10%. john i did something like this the other week. Plenty glue on the t&g and I personally glue to the joists as well. I think I'm tempted to ensure the joins are on the joists anyway. But I would still like to seal the chipboard before laying the vinyl planks, especially under the sink and the appliances. Dry in 2 Hours. Cutting Width (Kerf): 1. jackelliott07, Dec 2, 2019. 4 they will be tongue and grooved ) and should be glued(pva) to the joists and at the tongues, and fixed with screws front and centre of the boards, if this has not happened you'll need. Click & Collect. theguildmaster New Member. Set the string line say 300mm above the finished floor level at one side of the room. Weather-Resistant. (£18. Shop our range insulation rolls and boards. Astravan man , Sinewave is correct. The property had woodworm, so this was treated and a number of the rotten boards were removed. It’s a timber floor (t+g chipboard) so I’m going to put down the 6mm backer boards. There is a 30% restocking charge on returns. So have done that, in part of the room so far. if you turn the boards upside down (ie with the writing on top ) you will end up with something like a 30mm gap between the wall and the top surface of the board. I wish you a. NJ Rider, Feb 4, 2023. I was working in a property last week and the chipboard floors had circular access panels about 300mm in diameter cut into them which were lined with a flush fitting plastic ring type thingy, this allowed the bit of chipboard cut that was cut out to sit flush with the finished floor level and was a really quite a. Flooring Chipboard. jizzard_of_oz, Mar 17, 2008. Delivery. I am having a problem fitting 2 lengths of 18mm. Jord86 Screwfix Select. Cutting the door stops with a saw helps, so you can tuck the plank under stop. 99 Inc Vat. Home Tags > chipboard. It’s a timber floor (t+g chipboard) so I’m going to put down the 6mm backer boards. I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that #2 is the case. My plan was to use the 12mm chipboard i can get a load of for free and lay it on top of the parquet to give me a flatter surface for the laminate. Buy Multi Purpose Fillers from Screwfix. Place dpm under current joist in contact with the bricks. I have been told to use 6mm ply with screwed down 6" centre's then a flexible adhesive - anyone got any advice on this - this house is around 17 years old Thanksnumber 4 New Member. murrmac, Jun 7, 2008. Thanks for your help with this. I guess that there is a 'standard', but as we all know, a standard will be a minimum standardThe floor is limited head height, so overboarding isn't a preferred option. 73. Deleted member 11267 Guest. £29. Recently im faced with the task of trying to take up more and more chipboard flooring and was thinking of investing in a good nail puller to remove the recessed nails ? Click to expand. The only reason I can think of for insulating the voids is to reduce noise transmission. Joists are at 600mm, T&G chipboard 22mm @ 600mmX3000mm. Hence creating an airtight space. if you use a circular saw set the blade depth correctly and you won’t hit pipes or cables. Jord86, Jul. 3 I've always found that it's always better to lift large sections of the stuff rather than pittle about with lifting small sections. After removing it, the studs (32x50mm) were not secured to the rather uneven block and beam floor, nor levelled (im guessing resulting in the uneven and noisy floor previously). Use Bal Fastflex (a 2 part elastomeric), did one the other day straight onto a chipboard floating floor with no overlay. Having opted for a timber suspended floor (easier to hide cables etc) I have laid the joists and am about to start fixing T&G chipboard. Add to trolley. Andrew Morris Member. com. a quick question. I would over board with 15mm, 12mm is barely acceptable. this stops squeek noise and promotes a more solid job. Some say that you can tile directly onto chipboard. all carpets and flooring removed to expose chipboard floor which about 15 months ago got several coats of pva glue to see if this would solve the musty smell which it did. and then the chipboard flooring can be screwed on to these joists. Double Self-Countersunk with Underhead Ribs. All you then need to do is to screw an additional timber - say, 3x2 - against the exposed joist to 'widen' it and allow your new floor (which will have Chipboard flooring has T&G-type edges which makes it very solid at its joints - use adhesive such as polyurethane along all joints (expands slightly as it cures) and these boards won't move again. Everywhere that I have read online seems to suggest that underlay for engineered wood flooring is necessary for all floating installations including over chipboard sub-floors. stonemasons. Replacing all of the boards is expensive and probably a waste of money. com. Then allow extra 15mm at least to mark cut line above centre of joist. I have uploaded photos and a wider photo for a better perspective. Lay down chipboard flooring. coefficient of thermal expansion of plywood is in the order of 0. Screwfix Community Forum. traditionally you would only use white glue for gluing these boards togehter,grip fill is too thick and silicone is definately not suitable!gun nailing is ideal as well as the nails are ribbed and will not allow movement. However i do not accept any. The Ex-Kitchen Fitter New Member. On top of this, but not directly on a joist is built a stud wall going in the same direction as the joists. 40° Thread for Secure Fixing & High Pull-Out Resistance. polybear Member. TS Thread System Offers a Single & Twin Thread in One, Gripping Fast with a Firm Fix. Click & Collect. 5 or 3 times the thickness of the chipboard for length. Clear all fixtures (except the bath) from the b/r. Just avoid the pipes! What floor is going over it? Carpet best for sound. 3. About a year ago we had our chipboard kitchen floor tiled. Fit and screw down, then when you need access, unscrew the boards and lift out. Actually I think it's a bit under 25mm thick so just measure a piece - circa 22. 30 day money back guarantee. #4. To do this we removed the chipboard and insulation. I can't think of a more suitable surface for tiling. 18mm x 2440mm x 1220mm Marine Plywood BS1088. The tiler. Product Width. First board will end on joist so it will connect with the next one on the joist etc. In my living room I have a concrete floor at the back and a wooden floor at the front. The distances between the joists vary. The tiles are 200 x 200mm. If you have the radiator mounted with the long sides of the brackets at right angles to the wall, you might get away with turning the brackets to have the short sides at right angles to the wall. the floor is quite solid and I can not feel any major movment from the flooring, (there is 1 or 2 spots where it does flex but i intend to screw this down better than it is at present to fix this. Screwfix Community Forum. Make sure that before the vinyl is fitted all screw/ nail holes are filled and all edges are flush and filled. I should have levelled the floor joists when I had the opportunity. Water-Based Adhesive. 99 Inc Vat. Structurally it's not necessary, the chipboard is designed to carry itself but it can creak and squeak after a while. you then have to put noggins (pieces of 3 0r 4x2)under the cuts and half the thickness sticking out to support new piece as well. The builder is refusing to investigate properly as they feel that it is normal. Try the PVA trick and see if it helps, I’m not convinced personally. Single thread. !! Active Member. I ve heard a ton of stories regarding squeaky floors after chipboard flooring has been layed and I want to do all I can to prevent this. im toying with the idea of laying the tiles directly to the moisture resistant chip board with flexi adhesive. Home Forums > Screwfix Community Forum > Tilers' Talk > Tiling over chipboard floor. Blocks stubborn and persistent stains including water stains, marker pens and more. MrsB said: ↑. I am also concerned by the mention of a lead water main. Does the chipboard flex in any way ,as in unsupported edges ? If it's solid underfoot don't worry. hamster New Member. Lay a bonded SBR screed, use SBR to prime concrete & use it in screed mix. Home Forums > Screwfix Community Forum > Carpenters' Talk > Chipboard T&G flooring removal around existing pipes. #11. by the way be careful when cutting out the old stuff. on new buid when we lay a 22mm boards its standard to glue the joints and glue the joists that they are layed upon. General Purpose. Which of theses options does in make most sense to go with : 1) 18mm chipboard + simple foam underlay +12mm laminate. Can Be Used On Damp Surfaces. Shellac-based primer, sealer and stain killer. 1) You have a level floor, whether it be chipboard or any other base. 49 Inc Vat. Estwing used to make a good one, very ridged and strong and will take lots of abuse. Primer Paints. The dip isn't as bad as the bounce and creak I get from it. It stops free flow of air, creates a home for insects and vermin etc. Shapeable to Repair Without Formwork. . Discussion in 'Electricians' Talk' started by nigel9097, Apr 14, 2014. Showing 1—17 items of 17. Write a review. PAGE 1 OF 2. £45. 5 or 3 times the thickness of the chipboard for length. e 62. Everything required for installation or repairs. Short of lifting the boards, I read the only way to stop it is to pull the nails holding the boards down and replace with screws. What will I prime the floor with?Screwfix Community Forum. It's a short piece of usually 1 1/2"or 2" thickness timber cut and fixed to provide stiffening, Fixing points, reinforcement, strength, support etc. use 18mm ply or 22mm chipboard, support all edges and use tongue and groove for the strongest floor, glueing all joints. FREE next day delivery available, free collection in. Read less. Various options available including those with added security of a key or code lock function. Fred Dibner was one of my idols. You are on a Saturday night wind-up. Joel Drury likes this. Our chipboard flooring features a tongue and groove fitting system for easy installation. Lifted the floorboards in the room above (no trouble) only to find a chipboard floor. Some people recommend no. when laying 18mm tongue and groove chipboard flooring (2400 x 600mm), on the short tongue and groove edges, i know all should be glued but do they need to be supported by a joist too? any help on this matter would be appricated. £10. 99 Inc Vat. The size of the chipboard sheets are 2400 x 600 x 22mm 18 mm osb is sometimes used on joists @ 400 centres even then I prefer using 22mm chipboard. Either get a better circular saw, leave the hatch to the plumber/spark, or drill a series of holes in a line so you can slip a handsaw through and cut at a very low angle so the blade hardly goes through the underside. Pick a noisy joint and mark a line about 25mm from the joint edge on either side. Flexible, solvent-free sealant and gap-filler. Gluing and screwing will give you a much more rigid floor and reduce flex. £33. The bathroom is fairly small 2m x 1. 8"x2" 2400x600x22mm . Chipboard flooring is c*ap. Net-Coat Yellow-Plated. This would have to be removed as well as the t&g chipboard. 18mm ain't gonna stop the flexing, especially at joints. Tongue-Tite TX Countersunk Thread-Cutting Floorboard Screws 3. Includes TX20 bit. Click-Lock. Sometimes easier to rip it up and replace any damaged sheets with new. "dont forget to switch your heating off as the glue will go off too quick". Use a tape measure to 'dip' the dimension from the string line to the floor level at mid span. This is a job for a circular saw. Soudal Parquet Flooring Adhesive 1kg (425KV) compare. Spacing wise I've seen 150mm spacing, does this mean across the whole board so a layout like this: View attachment 61755 I've left 50mm around the edge then split into 150mm as best I can, it. You can get P5 water resistant grade chipboard if you were adamant you wanted something else, but I wouldn't worry personally. Leave it to dry overnight and then use a floor scraper to take off the mess you've left. 98 Inc Vat. Use bal flex-rapid set and you will be ok. 1. Sealing porous areas and extending coverage with paint sealer will ensure a longer lasting coat. Most likely need to lay timber guide rails tapered from 75mm down to a few mm's, once screed has dried, these can be removed & channels filled in with screed. Heat is circulated consistently and keeps floors warm underfoot. There is a 30% restocking charge on returns. Ask a question. For Use on SDS Plus or 3- Jaw chuck machines on rotary action. Multi-Head Countersinks Screw. Saved to Project List. The board next to bath also needs to come up as water damaged so agree, will improve access and allow new boards to be slid under bath, with legs fully raised, possibly cut boards in half to make things easier. Requires no pilot hole or pre-drilling. Net-Coat Yellow-Plated. Steviejoiner74 New Member. Delivery. 35/Ltr) QTY. The room used to be divided in two but we have opened it up into one big room. Often used as flooring instead of timber (which is much more expensive). I’ll be laying insulation boards and ufh mat then laminate on top. I have traditional timber floorboards. FlyByNight Screwfix Select. not many are left in that. I have looked through the forum and some people recommend 2. Fix down with either ring shank 75mm nails. Click-Lock. i dont like it, it warps when wet, adhesive doesent adhere properly and its basically *. If the problem is across a wide area you could use thin plywood tacked over the top. fixing ply straight to joists needs a screw 2. Suitable for use on interior surfaces and spot priming of exterior surfaces. Tiling onto Tongued and Grooved Chipboard Flooring. 99 Inc Vat. Tags: chipboard floor pipes; Tabs New Member. Save on heating bills. when laying 18mm tongue and groove chipboard flooring(2400 x 600mm), on the short tongue and groove edges, i know all should be glued but do they need to be supported by a joist too?. Reisser screws and a good quality exterior pva lashed on. Once the glue is dried just drop the small piece back in and fix with four screws. com. Delivery. It will be rock solid, without any squeaks or creaks. Leave an expansion gap of approx 10mm all around the perimeter of the room. FREE Click & Collect within 30 minutes. For Cement Based Mixes. Spiral point, part thread and under-head ribs for self. mdf is not designed to support loads and if you were to use standard mdf if you had any kind of leak or spill it would puff up. Please help! I have a new build (moved in March 2020) with really squeaky bedroom floors. Hi Chippies, Have had a new 18mm T&G CHipboard floorboards (2400x600mm) laid over a fairly large area in a project. You’ll find chipboard flooring available in 18mm or. Pvc Fitter, Jun 2, 2009. Cracking noises from floors and ceiling. For example, room is 4m long exactly (4000mm). Laying a floor? Using Chipboard flooring panels? Take a look at how to use our CaberFix D4 glue in conjunction with CaberDek panels. Or. Dawsy New Member. Recently tiles are coming loose and grout has cracked around most. just one at the centre of the board will suffice. Hi all After some advice. 7mm. The vertical timbers are stitched to that sole plate ,and the plasterboard on the bedroom side is screwed or nailed to it , possibly the skirting also. Adjust the fit once the mask is on to keep it snugly and comfortably in place. The previous kitchen area of the existing house was located in an area with a concrete floor, shared with the hallway to rear door. Today I’ve taken up the carpet to have a closer look. You don't need any noggins on the long joints, but where the ends of boards meet in a gap between joists it's best to put a noggin to support the joint. Screwfix Community Forum. 8 or no. The benefit from installing a castor is increased portability of heavy loads, greater safety and improved productivity. Screws should be left flush or the barest amount under. osb isnt suitable for direct exposure to the elements, its good stuff for shed floors and roofs though. Cut along the nail line with a circular saw set at the same depth as the chipfloor. 4Ltr (169FE) compare. OSB. Also, in most scenarios can you cut around the edges of a chipboard floor room , add noggins to joists and butt. I have done this with 22mm T&G chipboard flooring over 50mm celotex - cheaper than buying the celotex bonded stuff. Suitable for Domestic & Commercial Use. Click & Collect. End the sheets around 1cm from the walls, and fit the skirting boards down snugly on top to hold it down. Zinc-Plated & Yellow-Passivated. You would of course need to cut out a section of chipboard flooring in bedroom . Water seeped down a rising pipe at the wall under the cork-tiled, T & G chipboard floor, the waterproof membrane and the 1" insulation (jablite type) onto the screed. There will be no joists. I have recently removed some old floor tiles from my chipboard bathroom floor, in fact they came up far too easy for my likeing, I did not prime the floor before laying the tiles but did use a flexable adhesive. Total Product Weight. , Aug 21, 2005. 8 2. For chipboard flooring. Never used these before but saw a video of a guy bedding them on adhesive just like the tiles, then screwing them down. 5 times thickness of sub floor i. There's a screed underneath it and assuming block and beam under that. You would need to coat it in pva. This will help to ensure that your vinyl tiles go on well, and produce decent finish. FlyByNight, Mar 12, 2020. PSR New Member. 8. There are onlt two options if you want to tile this floor. Whatever you do, mark where pipes run and if there are cables through notches - always worth a. Our carpenter has suggested that it may make sense to do this throughout the property. Use 3. Flooring Chipboard. Add to Cart. £14. This is one of the most important steps, and it’s one that’s tripped up a lot of homeowners in the past. The floors have been in place for a few months, though since laying have been subjected to some messy plasterers (and associated plaster and water spillages) and some effect from heating (which has been on. Discussion in 'Carpenters' Talk' started by Tabs, Jan 24, 2021. 2. Discussion in ' Builders' Talk ' started by Gerry Built, Dec 4, 2007 . The 2-3mm gap from the saw should be enough to get a chisel in and lever them up. Glue and screw. If you're up in Scotland they call them dwangs. In some of the smaller rooms, we will remove the timber floorboards and replace them with tongue and groove chipboard. £14. You will definitely need to overboard the chipboard as you can't (or shouldn't) tile directly onto it. FREE Click & Collect within 30 minutes. Tom40 said: ↑. Traditionally I'd always thought you should use OSB or plywood for this, but there's a 4 week delay. This should leave the flooring which goes under the wall fairly intact, and the wall supported. The floor level would ideally come up a bit too. Failing that I use Spax flooring screws but you've got to be 100% certain that there are no services under the boards where you're driving the screw. 40. Screwfix Select. 6 size screws. 18mm Flooring Chipboard 8x2. 2x2 would be ok for that area, 4x2 is overkill. Fill holes and cracks with ease, suitable for many applications. 8/5. €37. Just screw any creaky/loose floorboards down, if any are badly damaged, replace them. Dont lay any more glue than 6 planks at a time to begin with as you have to trowel it on & wait a few minutes for it to go tacky.